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TaimoorZ
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Re: ethical iphone
TaimoorZ   2/5/2012 1:39:37 PM
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Apart from the hassle and associated costs of moving from one OEM to another, there's also the risk that the move might prove to be very costly for Apple. The new OEM may not have the desired level of quality and efficiency to work with Apple. Foxconn had been there since Apple launched the iPhone and has grown along with Apple to reach this stage.



chipmonk
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Re: ethical iphone part 2
chipmonk   2/3/2012 4:15:22 PM
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one more desperate "red herring" in the blog defending Apple :

" Bringing Chinese wages up to Western levels would increase the cost of a typical i-product by 35 percent. "

a " strawman " proposal if there ever was one !

I seriously doubt if the group demanding " ethical iPhones" is asking to level the 10:1 wage difference between the US and China in one fell swoop.

Even a 50 % raise and 30 % reduction in work hours / push rate would ease the pain of the Hon Hai workers.

The additional cost would be merely a blip in Apple's cost as at present assembly costs them < 7 % and their after sales margins are > 40 %.

chipmonk
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Re: ethical iphone
chipmonk   2/3/2012 3:52:50 PM
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the arguments forwarded here are contrived and diversionery, perhaps motivated by a desire to defend Apple. 

the most obvious way for Apple to build the so - called "ethical" iPhone would be to NOT replace Foxconn altogether and take 8 months in the process as suggested here ( a " red herring" if there ever was one ), but to pay Foxconn / Hon - Hai enough ( say 50 % over just the 5 % of total the assembly of an iPhone is supposed to cost - almost "noise" considering Apple's margin ) to cut work hours / hire more workers, even slow their lines down / build a few more. 

slavery could not have flourished in America for 3 centuries w/o its direct beneficiaries and paid defenders / shills.

the same seems to be true even today 4+ decades after Civil Rights - only its being practiced out of sight in China by CEOs pretending to be Zen Buddhists - and being defended in the name of journalism.

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ethical iphone
Barbara Jorgensen   2/3/2012 1:15:34 PM
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@hospice--I agree, but the deadline of this summer is impossible. It will be a long, drawn out process for Foxconn to change--I think 5 years would be an optimistic estimate.

@Flyingscot: there's that, or the formation of unions...

FLYINGSCOT
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No way out
FLYINGSCOT   2/3/2012 1:12:01 PM
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I simply cannot see how an ethical movement will take hold unless it is mandated at the govt level. Customers in Best Buy look at three things only.....price, price and yep....you guessed it. 

Hospice_Houngbo
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Working conditions improvement
Hospice_Houngbo   2/3/2012 11:33:17 AM
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Instead of hoping that Apple would end its partnership with  Foxconn Electronics Inc , why not rather send the message to Foxconn  and ask them to improve their employees's working conditions. The main issues is not to know if Apple would be ethical, but rather if its parteners would learn the ethical lesson as well.

Dave Sasson
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Foxconn to Replace a Portion of its Workforce with 1 Million Robots
Dave Sasson   2/3/2012 9:23:02 AM
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Besides moving manufacturing plants from the coastal areas to more inland provinces to fend off rising employee costs, last year, Terry Gou, who heads up Foxconn, announced 1 million robots will be in place over the next 3 years to replace workers performing routines assembly, welding, and painting tasks.  Here is a link to one of many articles with the announcement: Robots to replace Foxconn workers; Chinese cities take notice.

Jacob
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Re: Ethical and non-ethical model option
Jacob   2/3/2012 2:37:55 AM
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_hm, how many of peoples are interested to pay more for ethical products. I don't think more than 1%, the other 99% peoples are not bothered about either its ethical or not. At the same time they are looking for the same product for a lesser price tag.

For ethical products, I think Apple has to manufacture all the components in US itself and the cost may shoot up to double or more. This is only by a simple comparison of wages in US and China.

_hm
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Ethical and non-ethical model option
_hm   2/2/2012 9:29:56 PM
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Apple should market to all products with two options -

So called ethical and 

perceived non-ethical.

They should do little survey and find out how many purchases ethical product from them at say 15% additional cost.

Most advocate of humane rigths and ethicla product will opt for low cost not so ethical Apple product.

 

Nemos
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Ethical iphone,
Nemos   2/2/2012 4:05:32 PM
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"Bringing Chinese wages up to Western levels would increase the cost of a typical i-product by 35 percent. And that won't improve working conditions."

The situation is very complicated and  n't exist an easy and quick way solution to the problem. For the moment, I think it will not help this instantly increment to the wages, and it needs a long way (maximum 10-15 years) plan to achieve that smoothly.

{At least the government must try to have the average cost of living in extremely low rate. }

 

 

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