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Barbara Jorgensen
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Agents of change
Barbara Jorgensen   2/7/2012 1:19:31 PM
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I think the issue is even more fundamental than "can we change?" The question is "should we?" I am personally torn between two points of view: limiting a business relationship to a straight demand-supply agreement, versus businesses as a moral compass. I continue to struggle with this one...

mfbertozzi
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Re: Working conditions improvement
mfbertozzi   2/7/2012 9:49:47 AM
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I really agree with the comment, it is not so easy. I am wondering why for istance, in technical fields, common or shared position among several members have been usually achieved, but for topics really important as per discussed within Barbara editorial, difficulties are still there since a long ago.

saranyatil
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Re: Working conditions improvement
saranyatil   2/7/2012 7:36:57 AM
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It s very difficult for one single certification to exists it s very difficult to convince everyone and follow on the same stand.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Is anyone listening?
Barbara Jorgensen   2/6/2012 12:16:37 PM
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Tim Cook wrote an internal memo to employees about the bad publicity Apple is getting (see Bolaji'g blog on the response) but nothing has been said publicly that I am aware of. Apple rarely speaks to the press unless it can control the message. I think this time it is a bad move for Apple to not publicly respond to criticism.

 Then again, this is the company that when users complained the iPhone didn't work when you held it a certain way the response was "then don't hold it that way." In other words, the problem is us, not them.

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Re: ethical iphone
Hospice_Houngbo   2/6/2012 10:25:33 AM
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That is right, summer is around the corner and we cannot expect a drastic change in this short time. BTW, Do you notice any sign from Apple that they have been listening to people concerns about how their contractors treat their employees? I wish what that did not fall in deaf ears.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Other OEMs
Barbara Jorgensen   2/6/2012 9:52:51 AM
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A couple of good points from readers: Apple is by no means the only OEM working with Foxconn. Dell has acknowledged it in their CSR reports, and news reports say that IBM, HP and a number of Asian companies all use the EMS. The conditions we are hearing about are directly influenced by Apple's size and visibility, but a cohesive effort by all the major OEMs would go a long way toward improving conditions in foreign factories. Another point--we don't know that Foxconn is the only manufacturer operating below par--they are just the biggest.

mfbertozzi
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Re: Working conditions improvement
mfbertozzi   2/6/2012 6:29:31 AM
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I see electrn_lyf, it is a good point you have outlined. In my opinion, it sounds as another step forward to do, because certification process needs to be recognized abroad in line with political rules of each one country that decides to achieve it.

elctrnx_lyf
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Re: Working conditions improvement
elctrnx_lyf   2/6/2012 6:20:00 AM
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every one talk about apple because they are the biggest customers of Foxconn. Otherwise there are many other companies engaged in EMS services with Foxconn. I hope the working condition will improve once there is a common body to certify the EMS companies.

mfbertozzi
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Re: Working conditions improvement
mfbertozzi   2/6/2012 3:30:30 AM
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It could be an approach HH; but I would like to put on the table a question. Right now, major focus is continuously on Apple and labor condition for OEM outsourced people. Are we really convinced labour conditions for other major players in the sector are different? Has anybody heard about?

Jacob
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Re: Working conditions improvement
Jacob   2/6/2012 2:57:52 AM
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I think EBN/UBM can raise the voices in public on behalf of the community. Somebody has to raise the voices against such things; otherwise most of the companies are considering it as grant for success.

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