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Frederick1337
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Re: Best question to ask.
Frederick1337   10/8/2012 2:14:40 PM
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Agreed. It is definitely something to consider. Though we will probably see the same arguments about creating "too much" federal oversight, even though it is obviously badly needed.

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Re: Best question to ask.
Bolaji Ojo   10/1/2012 3:24:53 PM
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Frederick1337, This shouldn't be just about what the suppliers are able to do to keep counterfeits from military supply chain. I would love to know also how those in charge ofthe military supply chain are preventing infiltration of fake parts into the system aside from just asking someone else to vet the components at the door. It could be that whatever military procurement managers are doing to stop counterfeiters (aside from Congressional actions) can't be openly discussed!

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Re: New Counterfeit Law
spamchecker   10/1/2012 2:39:48 PM
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"Stop using those and there mwouldn't be a problem!"

And if they stopped using those, there wouldn't be a profit.

 

Frankly, if I were a manufacturer, I just wouldn't deal with anyone who wanted me to sign a contract flowing back from DoD requirements. Too much hassle, too much liability, and only 1-5% of the market?  I'd live without it.

 

Which is where things were, when the DoD decided that it couldn't hack the cost needed to have dedicated suppliers... and came begging to private industry.

 

Private industry needs to tell 'em to shove it again, and let them stew in their own juices, until they figure out how to make security be cost-effective.

Frederick1337
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Re: Best question to ask.
Frederick1337   10/1/2012 11:54:30 AM
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"If the government is pushing the responsibility to the OEMs, and CMs, expecting them to do all the work to ensure the products and components are genuine, what are they offering to help counter this menace?"

Excellent question. Perhaps If you keep asking it, we might get a good answer. Thanks for asking the question wich is most prevalent to the discussion.

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Brace for the impact
Barbara Jorgensen   3/5/2012 12:31:11 PM
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Once again, a well-intended law misses the mark. If a system works correctly, there should be enough stops in the supply chain to flag a counterfeit well before it gets to the OEM. At the front end, companies can make sure components and old boards are disposed of properly. In the middle, distributors should inspect incoming and outgoing parts. A lot of companies have invested a lot of money in stopgap measures and putting additional burden on OEMs isn't going to solve a thing.

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TIOLUWA   3/5/2012 7:58:49 AM
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It's just amazing how much trouble lower costs can cause.

It drove the world to china, and it also drove the Diffense industry into increased risk of counterfeit parts.

I think lower costs is less important than security and quality.

If the governmentis pushing the responsibility to the OEMs, and CMs, expecting them to do all the work to ensure the products and components are genuine, what are they offering to help counter this menace?

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Another likely consequence
Eldredge   3/5/2012 7:20:01 AM
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Another likely outcome of this legislation will be an increase in cost to the DOD for implementation of the additional methods, procedures, and mitigation actions to address the counterfeit part issue. It is not uncommon for DOD contracts to limit the profit margin that defense contractors can make on given contract, so they are unlikely to just absorb that cost in future contract negotiations.

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time indeed
FLYINGSCOT   3/4/2012 2:16:12 PM
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I heard the recent Russian space mission that failed was the result of counterfeit components so I expect this legslation will be closely monitored across the globe.

WaqasAltaf
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Off-the-shelf products for military :(
WaqasAltaf   3/4/2012 8:32:13 AM
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Atleast the defence department should procure their equipments from the manufacturer directly. This issue (security and privacy of defence) is so sensitive that it should take precedence over savings in the procurement process made through buying off-the-shelf items.

However, if this is not possible, quality control procedures should be tightened at the procurement stage and at the time of selection of contractors. Leaving the liability to contractors whenever the counterfeit is discovered is just aint enough to counter the issue.  

elctrnx_lyf
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Re: New Counterfeit Law
elctrnx_lyf   3/4/2012 8:14:35 AM
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I do not thik this issue is so simple to detect or correct before the parts are used inside the products. The regulations wil deter the commercial component manufacturers to work along with the defense electronics. The design and developments of the defense equpments also will probably slow down due to these higher regulations. Finally, thanks alot for the video. A great information about what is happening exactly on the defense side.

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