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Mr. Roques
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Re: Where I Live
Mr. Roques   5/15/2012 6:15:19 PM
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Will it, at the end, read: "Send everything to a poor country that prefers a few dollars over the possible effect of those devices on its land"? I think those strategies should take that into a account and have an integral solution that looks for the best solution, for everyone, not just their country or region.

Rich Krajewski
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Rich Krajewski   5/14/2012 6:52:06 PM
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Paying up front for recycling makes sense to me, because it doesn't just shunt the costs to future generations or to the government. It recognizes that these costs eventually become payable by someone. As long as the costs can be delayed and passed onto someone else, the market will do that. This unwillingness to deal with the costs of recycling is a failure of the market, understandable because no one business can competitively afford to be the first one to move the costs upfront. That is why we must have regulation do it for us.

Douglas Alexander
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Re: collective regulatory standards
Douglas Alexander   5/14/2012 6:01:44 PM
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Rich,

I agree. The optimum, interim solution is to buy from franchised distributors or sources that have well documented processes in place so every part is traceable back to the source. Rules Based RFID is the best implementation for supply chain tracking that is widely deployed now, but for semiconductors, Hardware Intrinsic Security may be the most cost effective in the long run and DNA marking for all materials and components will most likely capture the countermeasures market as the cost for aunthentication come down. This article discusses Waste management via WEEE and I think at some point, we will not be able to address the beginning of the supply chain without discussing the end of the supply chain. For now, just ask your distributor to guarantee reimbursements against all losses for passing on counterfeit parts. Make sure you cover cost of rework and replacement, and not just the cost of the component itself.

Rich Krajewski
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Re: collective regulatory standards
Rich Krajewski   5/14/2012 5:38:20 PM
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"Mission-critical systems like ATM's, voting machines, and defense electronics should stick to sources that are verifiable from fabrication to test to assembly."

Excellent point. There need to be trustworthy guarantees of functionality in place.

For recycled processing or networking equipment, there needs to be some expensive investigation of the equipment. There was a rumor of a scam running a few years ago where hackers would replace firmware in routers and sell the routers on eBay, with the intent of monitoring digital traffic. Beware when buying used equipment!


stochastic excursion
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Re: collective regulatory standards
stochastic excursion   5/14/2012 3:29:34 PM
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A lot of electronic parts now have identification burned onto on-board ROM.  Like key for cars recently manufactured having a unique code that unlocks the door, parts could have a traceability id burned in on board, or maybe on a micro-QR code. 

Counterfeiters could of course burn in duplicate codes from authentic parts they take out of the supply chain.  With a manufacturer providing traceability for each device, this could be tricky to pull off.

Douglas Alexander
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Re: Where I Live
Douglas Alexander   5/14/2012 10:24:42 AM
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Rich, I agree 110% about the disincentive nature of individuals having to pay to turn in their old terminals and other electronics. The EU WEEE requirement states that he manufacturer or agent shoulders the recycling costs upfront so individual consumers don't have to carry the cost of recycling. In addition, in the EU, the stores where the product was initially purchased, take the returned "waste" back without hesitation. Now, I suspect, the retailer adds something to their mark-up, and the manufacturer recoups their burdened cost by adding to the wholesale price some or all of the recycle costs.

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Re: collective regulatory standards
Douglas Alexander   5/14/2012 10:12:03 AM
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Stochastic, In suggesting recycled parts find there way back into the supply chain with some kind of marking ID, I was suggesting that there may be a licit path for reclaimed parts that might be segregated from new parts sold on critical use products. If your child's toy had a 1 year MTBF (Reliability) label on it, would you buy it for a two-year old at a cheaper price than the same toy with a 10 year MTBF? The problem I was hinting at is still the counterfeiting potential of 1 year MTBF being marked as 10 year. So, tying it back into WEEE, the question becomes, can a recycled component or higher level product be identified as recycled in such a manner that it not only does not end up in a land fill, but in fact would find its way back into the market place as a new, USED or refurbished product with a known and stated lower Reliability quotient? My two- year old is not going to play with the same toys 10 years fom now anyway. I'm just putting a new spin on the used product market by suggesting a new loop being deliberately added to the supply chain, without turning it into a knot that counterfeiters could use to tangle up the licit, new product supply line.

stochastic excursion
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Re: collective regulatory standards
stochastic excursion   5/14/2012 2:41:27 AM
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The practice of recovering raw materials such as tantalum from electronic waste makes a lot of sense.  Microprocessors are different because they are almost like the brains of systems that incorporate them.  Mission-critical systems like ATM's, voting machines, and defense electronics should stick to sources that are verifiable from fabrication to test to assembly.  

In the same way you wouldn't use recycled paper for a publication meant to impress a client.  Recycled materials have importance in the supply chain it seems as more of a supplement to existing sources.

Rich Krajewski
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Where I Live
Rich Krajewski   5/14/2012 12:55:48 AM
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Where I live, I can recycle some electronics and related products (such as batteries and compact fluorescent lamps, or CFLs) at local stores, such as Best Buy or Lowes. What is interesting is that, for instance, the local recycling authority will charge 75 cents to recycle a CFL, but there is no effective enforcement to prevent that same CFL from being dumped into the waste stream and landfill. Fortunately, there are the recycling programs of the businesses that I mentioned above that offer a low-cost recycling alternative for the conscientious consumer. Plus, it probably brings in more traffic, which likely increases sales.

Some messier electronics, such as old cathode ray tube TV sets, can cost the consumer about $25 per set to recycle, depending on where he or she lives. (The stores don't take these items, so likely a lot of the lead from those sets is entering the landfills.)

In one municipality in a neighboring state, electronics recycling is free, but a special pick-up must be arranged for the item. If the pick-up does not occur, then the homeowner who put the item on the street may be fined for leaving junk on the street!

TaimoorZ
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Re: collective regulatory standards
TaimoorZ   5/13/2012 2:36:41 PM
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"Should there be a marking on recycled components like we have for recycled paper?"

@Douglas: That's an interesting point. I think many electronic components can be fairly easily recycled and should be. This would certainly save the resources being used to build new components. However, I think the process of recycling electronic components will be much different than the one for paper. There needs to be standards in place which can control the recycling process.


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