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_hm
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Equal distribution
_hm   5/16/2012 9:19:25 PM
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This is blessing in disguise. It is nice to see advanced technology moving to other places. This will give people to stay close to their home with family/friends and work novel work.

 

mfbertozzi
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Re: Equal distribution
mfbertozzi   5/17/2012 5:35:15 AM
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This is a good point in my opinion; it should be very interesting in trying to scout some hits on how and where angels investors are moving as well to other places or it is only a matter of technology and production.

mfbertozzi
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SiliconHills vs. SiliconValley
mfbertozzi   5/17/2012 12:09:45 PM
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Article from Barbara is very fascinating, I've done a few investigations on funds and investors' trend in the region, it's fantastic; according to SiliconHills (maybe we were accustomed to hear "SiliconValley), there is a blast of ventures really active.

Susan Fourtané
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Is sunny California seeing the sunset?
Susan Fourtané   5/17/2012 4:49:11 AM
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Hi, Barbara 

Interesting. California has been overrated as the center for technology companies for quite a long time. Maybe it's about time companies started looking for other locations. It's also surprising New York is so down on the list. 

-Susan 

pocharle
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Re: Is sunny California seeing the sunset?
pocharle   5/17/2012 8:58:17 PM
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I guess it's too much hustle & bustle + crowded for techies to flourish. At least in Cali, it's sunny all the time...

Barbara Jorgensen
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Share the wealth
Barbara Jorgensen   5/17/2012 3:49:05 PM
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I agree that it is good trend that tech and business in general is migrating. But I am surprised to see CA so far down on the list. The state has been struggling with its internal budgetary problems, but I didn't realize it had taken its eye so far off the ball. Like the old Bell Labs, Research Triangle Park and other tech hubs, maybe the Valley's day has come and gone. I hope not--I still have fantasies about moving there some day...

elctrnx_lyf
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Re: Share the wealth
elctrnx_lyf   5/17/2012 8:51:12 PM
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California has already have enough of it. It's just a normal scenario for any state to actually have fair amount of regulations. And it's always better for companies also not to depend on single location. Having businesses distributed across different places creates a fair prices in real estate and in general other services like food and transport.

mfbertozzi
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Re: Share the wealth
mfbertozzi   5/18/2012 3:08:07 AM
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Well, I agree with CA's rank and how it is a surprise; at the end I really think that the phenomenon you have reported could bring benefits also for the Valley. It represents something similar to a competition that usual allows a step forward for all players in the segment, it doesn't matter the region.

Mr. Roques
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Mr. Roques   5/21/2012 10:57:35 AM
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Who's wrong? We could argue that California is wrong becuase it adds costs to businesses, and they decide to move to other states but isn't Texas wrong as well if it decided to not take into account some needed regulation? 

mfbertozzi
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Re: Share the wealth
mfbertozzi   5/21/2012 12:18:11 PM
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Mr.Roques, hard to say who is right and who is wrong. I agree with you, regulations are absolutely a need, but maybe, respect to CA, TX is at early stage for this specific sector, we will see in the future.

Mr. Roques
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Re: Share the wealth
Mr. Roques   7/11/2012 10:22:15 PM
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Should states be left to decide? Or should the Fed. Government impose some sort of "minimum" restriction, similar to the European Union.

mfbertozzi
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Re: Share the wealth
mfbertozzi   7/12/2012 7:21:54 AM
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Well, at the end, I am for a regulator mechanism in charge of FedGov or Gov, instead of each single State for the local territory; in theory, it could allow to provide all with a fair methodology on top individual or regional interests.

Mr. Roques
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Re: Share the wealth
Mr. Roques   8/25/2012 6:12:37 PM
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Well, thats the most efficient way but local governments have (earned?) their right to choose. That's why there are so many differences between states.

mfbertozzi
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Re: Share the wealth
mfbertozzi   9/2/2012 5:18:00 AM
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@Mr.Roques: well, this is the next step of the puzzle; right trade off between local and super-partes laws. I am not sure it will really exist.

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Golden State
FLYINGSCOT   5/18/2012 4:29:44 AM
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The survey does not surprise me.   Silicon Valley is a dynamic and vibrant place but the cost of living there is really starting to put people off.  Facebook flooding the market now with 1000+ millionaires and and handful of billionaires is not going to help the common worker eek out a decent place to live and work. 

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What about Taxes? And the Cost of Energy???
tech4people   5/21/2012 12:05:25 PM
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Barbara,

You fail to mention two more issues in this space(which are extremely relevant to the decision of where to locate your New/Existing Business).

The First is Taxes-No Executive likes to see more than 50% of Income go in Taxes every year;and this is where California and New York lose out to Texas(after all Texas has no Income Taxes).

It becomes so much easier to convince senior execs to move their when they are said that you will save more of your Income from the Taxman.

The other reason is The High Cost of Energy in California.

Utilities as well as Gasoline cost much-much more in Calfornia(& New York too);than they do in Texas.

At the end of the day,these costs also have to be factored in the cost of Doing Business anywhere & especially today when the world is so hyper-competitive today .

Regards

Ashish.

 

Barbara Jorgensen
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Re: What about Taxes? And the Cost of Energy???
Barbara Jorgensen   5/21/2012 5:55:40 PM
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@Ashish: I do know about the energy costs, which has always amazed me because CA has oil refineries right offshore. So does Texas. As for the taxes, yes, CA is in the same boat as Mass. The business tax structure is not appealing, especially to start-ups.

tech4people
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Re: What about Taxes? And the Cost of Energy???
tech4people   5/22/2012 12:45:30 PM
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Barbara,

California is not Known as the Europe of America without reason.

It has a Severely Bloated Bueracracy,Heavily Unionized labor which are Professionals at blackmailing/Bank-rolling Politicians to keep Govt Wages insanely High which Causes taxpayers to suffer(until they revolt by leaving the State).

This is the primary reason why Taxes are so insanely High in California.

We are just one step away from a Debt Default in California(as we have been for the last decade or so).[New York,Michigan and Illinois are in the same Boat]

We have now got super-invasive Bueracracies in all these states;I was reminded about two of my friends and their experiences recently.

One friend,has not stayed or had any Business in California for over a Decade now;he is now getting Income Tax claims (for 2010 and 2011) from California!!!

 Not just that,the State has ordered his Bank to hand over the cash first(a request with which his Bank gladly complied...) including a Fine for Late Payment!!!

Another friend,spent two Days(yes Two Days) in New York State for some Official Business;for that he was sent an Income Tax claim and asked to pay Taxes!!!

Can't you see how desperate for Revenue these States are today?

 Mike Shedlock writes a very good Blog on this issue HERE


http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/05/california-governor-jerry-browns-new.html

Regards

Ashish.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Re: What about Taxes? And the Cost of Energy???
Barbara Jorgensen   5/22/2012 5:22:13 PM
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@Ashish: Those two anecdotes are alarming, but I'm not entirely surprised, either. Any bureaucracy that has as many holes in it as the US tax code no doubt has these sneaky little clauses for out-of-state income as well.

On a different note: California: The Europe of America. I like it. :-)

mjthompson
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Re: What about Taxes? And the Cost of Energy???
mjthompson   5/23/2012 1:06:07 PM
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Texas can be as unregulated as they want as long as the wind, the rivers, and the ocean don't carry their pollution to other states and the Texas taxpayers are required to pay for the cleanup and not the rest of us taxpayers, including me. 

I remember the savings and loan debacle of the 80s.  My state had strong S&L regulations and no S&L's failed.  The S&L's of Texas, however, were part of the $500 billion bailout (paid from federal taxpayer dollars including mine) because of Texas' lax S&L regulations.

Conservatives are always advocating personal responsibility but apparently that doesn't apply to their states because those states are always coming to the rest of us to bail them out of the consequences of their lax regulations, e.g. Federal Superfund cleanups.

To paraphrase Dumbledore (in the Harry Potter movies), "Harry, you have the choice to do what is right or to do what is easy."  Apparently, corporations prefer 'easy' over 'right'.





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