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FLYINGSCOT
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Elpida
FLYINGSCOT   5/21/2012 6:03:03 AM
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I wonder what market share Elpida had as this will tell us a lot about the impact its bankruptcy is likely to have.

Wale Bakare
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Re: sunset on Japanese DRAM industry
Wale Bakare   5/18/2012 6:52:16 PM
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Demand for high performance devices (mobile) with relative to: 1 - Low power consumption 2 - Higher memory capacity 3 - Speed ( frequency clocks at GHz/THz) are the major factors. And we need to blame market for that.

mfbertozzi
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Re: DRAM like oil?
mfbertozzi   5/18/2012 3:54:47 PM
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I have heard some stories about these events in the early 2000, a decade is gone and if you google just for a bit some keys as "trading derivates", the engine search provides several reports from auditors related to what happened. Then once again, the sector is impacted by structural problems, who knows if exists a real will to solve them.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Re: DRAM like oil?
Barbara Jorgensen   5/18/2012 2:48:21 PM
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mfb: The DRAM market is exactly like oil. In fact, ENRON at one point considered entering the DRAM market because of that similarity. That scared the pants off of the online trading sites that had been springing up during the dotcom boom. It wasn't too long after that ENRON fell apart--but at least you couldn't blame DRAM for that!

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Re: maturing industry
elctrnx_lyf   5/18/2012 8:54:19 AM
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The memory market is so much depend on all kinds of electronic products made in the over the world. So any major problem with certain class of products would hamper the sales of DRAM. At the same time DRAM is more like a commodity item these days just lika diode/mosfet. There is not much innovation or any new features are added to these products. 

mfbertozzi
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DRAM like oil?
mfbertozzi   5/18/2012 5:57:32 AM
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"...The market suffers from too many structural problems..."

I am fully aligned; in my eyes, one of the problems is related to a real alternative, in terms of material, for producing DRAM in allowing savings and reaction to up & down market. Despite several years spent in DRAM light-speed replacement, producers are still away for evolving components towards that trend. It seems like green for oil; some good steps have been done, of course, but when will be available a full green-engine for cars?

stochastic excursion
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sunset on Japanese DRAM industry
stochastic excursion   5/18/2012 2:24:36 AM
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Another dramatic blow signifying the downturn of the Japanese semiconductor industry.  An overview of the cultural angle can be found here.

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maturing industry
any1   5/17/2012 4:30:59 PM
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You're probably right, but I think there is hope based on the fact that the industry seems to be maturing.  I don't think we will see any new entrants - the cost barrier for a new state of the art fab, or even adding leading edge capacity is high.  So we will see even more consolidation of the few real players left.  After Samsung, Hynix, and now Micron the rest of the industry combined doesn't have much market share.   And I think that DRAM demand is more predictable than in the past since PCs are also a muturing industry. 

Barbara Jorgensen
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DRAM is saved
Barbara Jorgensen   5/17/2012 3:36:37 PM
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Bolaji: DRAM is a product that always seems to be in oversupply or undersupply. You outline most of the reasons for that. You'd think that after enough boom and bust cycles, DRAM makers would move toward some kind of self-regulation (although that may border on anti-trust--not sure.) At any rate, I think it will happen exactly as you and IHS predict: the relief will be short lived and there will be no actual progress made on moving toward a more rational response to demand.

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