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Susan Fourtané
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Re: Is there evidence?
Susan Fourtané   5/27/2012 4:31:41 AM
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Hi, electnnx_lyf

"Won't this be a loss of money for USPS?"

Of course it will. But if we think about it, and if there is a high risk of lithium batteries shipments causing fire, USPS can't ignore it, unless until a new packaging method is applied to prevent any possible risk. 

-Susan

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Re: risk of fire?
stochastic excursion   5/26/2012 5:37:17 PM
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This looks like nothing more than risk management by a company whose mission is in large part dedicated to cost-effective service.  Private small-parcel carriers have hazardous material service available at a price.

Incidentally, there's been controversy over whether lithium batteries should be classified as hazardous materials.  A yea or nay on either side of this issue would substantially impact companies like Apple and Samsung.

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Re: Is there evidence?
Hospice_Houngbo   5/26/2012 5:17:55 PM
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@SF:

"I believe that with the right meausurements, change in packing, and carrying only a certain amount in each aircraft, it is possible to go back to shipping them."

It may depend on how the policy will affect  USPS revenue streams. My question is what will happen if other companies start implementating the same restriction policy? How will that hurt the consumer electronic business?

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risk of fire?
Hospice_Houngbo   5/26/2012 5:07:42 PM
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How often had those "lithium-embedded devices" caught fire in the past. Do They have any statistics? Or it is just a prevention measure that doesn't rely on any valid data?

Susan Fourtané
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Re: Is there evidence?
Susan Fourtané   5/26/2012 7:14:03 AM
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I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11505505 , it goes back to 2010. 


According to this saferty alert to operators (2010): http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/safo/all_safos/media/2010/SAFO10017.pdf    

"Testing conducted by the FAA William J. Hughes Technical Center (FAA Tech Center) indicates that particular propagation characteristics are associated with lithium batteries. Overheating has the potential to create thermal runaway, a chain reaction leading to self-heating and release of a battery's stored energy.

In a fire situation, the air temperature in a cargo compartment fire may be above the auto-ignition temperature of lithium. For this reason, batteries that are not involved in an initial fire may ignite and propagate, thus creating a risk of a catastrophic event.

The existence and magnitude of the risk will depend on such factors as the total number and type of batteries on board an aircraft, the batteries' proximity to one another, and existing risk mitigation measures in place (including the type of fire suppression system on an aircraft, appropriate packaging and stowage of batteries, and compliance with existing requirements contained within both FAA and PHMSA regulations)."  

I believe that with the right meausurements, change in packing, and carrying only a certain amount in each aircraft, it is possible to go back to shipping them. 


-Susan 

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Re: Is there evidence?
elctrnx_lyf   5/26/2012 6:42:23 AM
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Won't this be a loss of money for USPS? I do not see a clear why they do not want to ship any of these products overseas. Is it specifically due to fire accident risk or is there any other big risks?

Susan Fourtané
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Is there evidence?
Susan Fourtané   5/26/2012 6:08:39 AM
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Hi, Jennifer 

"The US Postal Service recently banned shipments of electronic products containing lithium batteries, citing risk of fire."

Is there any evidence that fire has actually happened as a result of shipping a device with a lithium battery? 

-Susan 

Susan Fourtané
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Re: A possible solution
Susan Fourtané   5/26/2012 6:01:29 AM
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Barbara,

The batteries could be packed separately, in the same package/box, but not in the device. 

-Susan 

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prabhakar_deosthali   5/26/2012 1:31:31 AM
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I think all airlines follow this rule strictly. Any electronic item that goes into your baggage has to have its batteries( not just lithium but all types)  removed. They check it during the x-ray inspection of the baggage.

As Barbara says , apart from the risk of fire there is also a risk that such devices can be used as explosives in disguise by the miscreants.

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A possible solution
Barbara Jorgensen   5/25/2012 9:23:36 AM
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It also seems to me if companies start removing the batteries before shipment and declare them "battery-free" it might be a work-around. Of course, the next issue for consumers is getting the batteries, which means retail. And retail relies and parcel services as well. So we are back to Square 1.

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