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nimantha.d
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nimantha.d   5/28/2012 9:17:13 AM
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Well I don't agree with your term that they won't win at all since at the initial point they do win and that is where you figure out where the loop hole is. It also can be found if the hacker makes a mistake. If not goes the 3 rd level

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Anna young   5/28/2012 9:16:01 AM
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@Hospice_Houngbo, You're right, more is required to further combat hardcore criminally minded ones. It'll be impossible to completely eradicate counterfeit components. However, making this much progress and involving manufacturers to educate all involved is a step in the right direction.. Don't you think?

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Nemos   5/27/2012 6:16:22 PM
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"make manufacturers responsible for certifying components supplied to the Department of Defense," I want to ask you to comment the possibility to apply this to the whole supply chain of the electronic industry.

TaimoorZ
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Re: Counterfeiters are not winning
TaimoorZ   5/27/2012 10:55:00 AM
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I think the ultimate victory over counterfeiters would be when they are completely wiped out from the supply chain and seize to exist. A counterfeiter's aim would never be to take over the business of an OEM, but it would be to capture a substantial share of the market so that both the OEM and counterfeiter continue to run in parallel.

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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
tech4people   5/27/2012 9:52:48 AM
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Hospice,

You raise very realistic and accurate points.

But if the cases of EU Aviation Carbon Taxes and the Current IMF confusion over how to tackle EU Debt Woes shows anything clearly its this-There is no clarity and uniformity of thought amongst Global Leaders and Nations.

The Best ways to put it is this-We Live in a Dog Eats Dog world where the Market is shrinking very rapidly(before our eyes).

In such a market countries are going to fight over and do whatever it takes to protect their Market shares in the short-term.

I was most fascinated by the EU Aviation Taxes case.

For those who don't know,the EU decided unilaterally that any Airline flying into and out of EU Airspace will have to pay A Carbon Tax (the equivalent increase in Passenger Fares will be between 4 Euros and 30 Euros,depending on length of the Flight).

The Carbon Tax was levied ostenibly to Fight Climate Change.However,the truth is that the Bankrupt EU needs the money to save itself from Debt Slavery so they are desperate to raise Revenue in any way possible.

The American,Canadian ,Chinese,Russian and Indian Airlines react very angrily to this New Tax but one by one fell in line-Except for the Chinese and the Indians.

According to the EU,8 Chinese Airlines and 2 Indian Airlines have refused to comply with the EU Directive and have been threathened with Massive Fines by the EU.

And now the Governments have gotten involved.Both Chinese and Indian Governments have explicitly banned their Airlines from Taking part in this programme.

And if the EU reacts negatively by fining their Carriers then they have threathened to retaliate by blocking access to their Lucrative & Growing Markets!!!

So Unilateralism (where it hurts State Interests) ,especially since both China and India have State owned Airlines is  a Strict No-No.

Similarly,here with the Suppliers-Most Suppliers (and especially of the counterfeit variety) have huge  plants in China which employ huge numbers of Chinese.

Any move to curb their employment will not be happening anytime soon .After all,its a question of the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party!!!

Regards

Ashish.

 

tech4people
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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
tech4people   5/27/2012 8:04:04 AM
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electric,

The Issue at hand is very complex and not something which can be resolved/Taken care of at one shot.

As Crypto has alluded to here,below this is an ongoing Fight that involves not just Manufacturers but also Suppliers and Govts.

The problem with Having Standards is this-They can always be subverted.

Also,we have another problem.Who exactly is designing those Standards?

I do a lot of extensive work in this area and believe me for often than not the most influential Manufacturers/Vendors get Standards scripted to their convenience and not according to what the market needs are.

Also,if you say you bring the Govt in here then the problem is that the Govt is totally infiltritated by the same Crony Capitalist Interests.

Case in Point-The Green Energy Scams propagated by the Obama Administration today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/forget-bain-obamas-public-equity-record-is-the-real-scandal/2012/05/24/gJQAXnXCnU_story.html

Regards

Ashish.

Hospice_Houngbo
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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
Hospice_Houngbo   5/26/2012 4:53:43 PM
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@elctrnx_lyf 

It is not an easy task. Many suppliers have started implementing strong detection strategies and they are more willing to disclose any part they find in their inventories because of the pressure they get from the US government. My question is whether the same compelling actions are being taken in other countries. The battle should not be limited to just one country.

Hospice_Houngbo
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Re: Counterfeiters are not winning
Hospice_Houngbo   5/26/2012 4:36:09 PM
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It is good to hear that the bad guys are not winning. Great news indeed. However the battle is not fully won yet and further actions might be required to fight those counterfeiters who are still resisting

elctrnx_lyf
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Re: Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
elctrnx_lyf   5/26/2012 6:50:10 AM
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As the more victims are reporting the incidents and the establishment of standards could easily help the manufacturers to tackle the problem of counterfeiting components. I do not think its any more an easy task to sell the crap.

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Measures and counter-measures constantly evolve
Cryptoman   5/25/2012 1:51:31 PM
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It is great to hear that the companies in the supply chain are a few steps ahead of the counterfeiters at the moment. Life looks difficult for the counterfeiters at the moment but they will keep on searching for new ways and the suppliers need to remain alert and make sure that their filtering and detection methods are always up to date. We should not forget that this is a continuous battle and expecting the counterfeiters to close shop anytime soon would be too naive.

This battle looks very similar to the battle between cryptographers and the attackers. New encryption techniques are always developed which temporarily makes us feel that our digital data is safe. However, the attackers are always hard at work looking for new methods of rendering the new encryption algorithms useless. Sometimes the cryptographers are ahead and sometimes the attackers. The only thing that remains unchanged in this battle is the motivations and the fact that the battle will continue.

 

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