Antifake, EBN is not the right forum for this discussion. Please take it up with legal authorities if you believe a company is involved in counterfeiting activities. EBN cannot judge who is or is not involved in such activities and these discussions have veered into accusations we cannot condone. Thank you.
I will remove your post on this subject and any other posts on the subject.
Thank you all for the conversation on this issue. I am ending this issue on the pages of EBN immediately. We cannot adequately judge the issues involved and EBN is not set up for this goal. If anyone has any allegations about counterfeiting involving any other company please contact legal authorities. I will also be taking down any future comments that directly accuses any company of counterfeiting activities. The proper forum is the legal space and not EBN.
Your comment about "a need for continued vigilance" is honorable but, to me, is an understatement.
The number of companies who have entered the independent distribution industry in the last 10 years that appear to be motived by greed and profit for their own benefit and at the cost of our Armed Forces members and legimate United States Military and commercial manuacturing companies, is mind staggering.
There are hundreds of high quality, ethical independent distributors throughtout the world. Unfortunately, I fear there are more who have gotten into the business for many of the wrong reasons.
It has been suggested there are hundreds of companies in this industry who knowing have bought products that are coming from the China Scrap piles and hide behind independent test house reports, ISO9000 certifications, and association memberships.
And there is no evidence proving this is not true.
EXAMPLE : http://circuitsassembly.com/cms/news/13240-us-court-renders-guilty-verdict-on-components-counterfeiter
I am not the sharpest tool in the shed but why do you think we have had only 2 RMAs in the last 4 years, that were because the components were counterfeit? (NOTE: All customer were informed of the potential risk before accepting their orders)
The reason is because we choose not to pass high risk product to any of our customers for a quick buck.
Because we take the time to know who we are buying from and advise our customers of their options and the risks involved, then let them make an informed decision.
While we may deliver electronic components to our customers, what we actually provide is a service and our expertise.
We do not own any test equipment, x-ray machines, die libraries and have not processed 1 escrow agreement in the last 4+ years
If you send scrap parts to an independent test house, that does not make them new and does not assure that the part will magically meet it's designed specification. While some testing can clearly show whether a parts meets basic functionality it does not guarentee it will perform to full specification.
It all starts with knowing who you are dealing with.
My dad taught me, If it looks to good to be true ... It probaby is. When a company who has only been in business for a year, claims to have components available that no other company does, and those components have a 40+ week lead time or are obsolete ... some red flags should be raised and more questions need to be asked.
In my opinion, there are hundreds of companies that are either too incompetent to know this or are willing to roll the dice and see if they get caught no matter how this may endanger the US public or men and women serving our armed forces.
In reference to Tam's comment, it is my understanding that every company on the Visiontech list received a written letter, from the prosecution, in the mail. The letter informed each company that they had purchased electronic components from a indicted counterfeiter. I believe the reason the government submitted the list of companies that bought from Visiontech, during the prosecution as evidence ... was just that, it is evidence.
The list of companies that purchased from Visiontech is only the first step in identifying the root cause of the problem according to the ISO9000:2008 standard. Any company that has not notified their customers, determined where those parts were used, and taken corrective action to prevent this from happening again is part of the ongoing problem.
Think about this ... Visiontech had over $15.8 million in shipments and just over $1 million in refunds.
There are over $14+ million worth of components still out there.
Counterfeit components have been found in the Military & Aerospace supply chains. Countefeit components cost commercial manufacturers and consumers billions of dollars a year.
Preventive actions are great but ... Just like Cancer, Counterfeiters and traffickers will not go away on their own, you must identify and remove them first.
Should we really wait until human life is lost before continuing to investigate the root cause and taking corrective action to prevent any more harm or lose?
Tam, Thank you for that clarification. I think some companies were beginning to feel that the appearance of their names on this list was evidence they colluded with counterfeiters. That's not necessarily the case. The real culprits here are the counterfeiters and the illegal supply chain they've set up to move their illegal products.
I just want to add that the government included the lists of US and international buyers with the court docs because it wanted to make sure that companies realized that they had indeed bought Counterfeit parts. The court docs implied that some buyers may not know that, and the government wants them to be aware of those sales and notify its partners down the supply chain. I don't think it was intended to punish the buyers that were duped.
Barbara, The fact that a company, especially a manufacturer intending to use the parts, buys counterfeit components from a seller doesn't necessarily mean the company is guilty. What they need to do is remain vigilant but even then they can be fooled repeatedly by a determined counterfeiter. On the other hand, when a firm appears on a negative list it takes a lot to clean up.
DanMatis, I believe what this indicates is the need for continued vigilance on the part of everyone. I like your quote about "Fool me once" but the fact is that despite our best efforts it is still possible to be tricked by a professional trickster more than once. People who do this will change their methods, change the name of their company, change location, market actively and do whatever they can to win.
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