@flyingscott, it may be that these organizations were not providing the right training. The bigger questoin for me is why not? Unless we get to the bottom of this, it's likely that this kind of issue will continue.
Flyingscot, it is easier said than done. Training and carrying out environmental and control audits within the organization is a time-taking and a costly task so unless there is some regulatory pressure, the managements of organizations don't give their support for it.
Mary, if you try to inquire about supplier's supplier, you initial contact means will be through your immediate supplier who might be reluctant to get you in contact with them from the fear of losing his business in the chain. I am not saying that this makes it useless to try, it is just that there is a hurdle.
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