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Can Corporate Hands Guide Public Education?

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Barbara Jorgensen
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Barbara Jorgensen   9/12/2012 12:50:33 PM
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Awesome, awesome post. But to close the circle: using corporate practices to evaluate teachers is a bad idea. But is the current system any better? Using standardized tests means teachers teach to the test (which may be the lowest common denominator in some areas of the country.) If the teachers are good at this, they get tenure. Hooray--our children can aspire to mediocrity!

 I'm not sure there is an easy answer to this, particularly if we eliminate privatization as an alternative. Are charter schools the answer? In Mass., I think they use the same standards as public schools (as do parochial schools).

Any feedback?

Ariella
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Ariella   9/12/2012 1:35:18 PM
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@Barbara there is a great deal of variation for standards, depending on which state you're in. For example, the test that high school teachers in New York teach to is the Regents exam. Other states don't have the same exam, though they may have soem of their own. However, budgets have a strong impact. Some Regents requirements -- like the foreign language -- have been eliminated, not because of an educational mandate but to save the state money.

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TaimoorZ   9/16/2012 6:19:51 AM
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"I'm not sure there is an easy answer to this, particularly if we eliminate privatization as an alternative."

@Barbara: I'm not sure if I'd agree that privatization is a bad option for schools. A private company has more incentive to uplift the brand image of the business and improve upon the quality. And quality improvement in a school comes directly from putting better teachers. So a private school is more likely to evaluate teachers better and have a high quality pool of teachers compared to a public one.

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SP   9/17/2012 3:05:24 AM
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I feel education system must be away from corporate culture. In corporate world as you go up the ladder especially in senior management (talking about mostly services companies), its all politics. They hardly do any productive work. Its all going for lunches, personal parties and private give and take businesses. While coporates deal with employees, education system deals with kids. The sensitivities and approach are different and must be different. If any HR makes bad scene for employee, the person can still join another company and live his life. But if some of their cruel political influence come on education system, the kids will be affected. Let them be non manipulative and enjoy their freedom. I have closely seen the performance appraisal rating system in corporates, it all looks good on the paper and policies but implementation is fully biased or predetermined.

Adeniji Kayode
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Adeniji Kayode   9/17/2012 9:28:04 PM
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@TaimoorZ,

You are right, private school will demand higher school fees and will definitely pay more too.

SP
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Can Corporate Hands Guide Public Education?
SP   9/13/2012 3:07:27 AM
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Very true words said about HR folks. Most of the HR I have seen in my career are political, self centered and likes screwing people who are honest, hardworking and straight forward. These HRs know hardly anything about potential of human resources or buman beings. They easily make camps, go down to any low level to show a person how they can spoil their career if the person doesnt oblige them. I feel there must be a feedback taken from all employees for HRs. But the worst is when HR start abusing their powers and create a bad environment for the engineers to work. I witnessed a particular case where the HR used all her power to demotivate a Java developer just because he was  hardworking, quite straight in talking and was not ready to behave as HR assistant. HR's ego was hurt and she kept finding mistakes in the HR database that the developer has designed. But its very difficult for any employee to stand against these monster HRs as in an organization they seem to have the magic power of recruiting and firing.

The corporate world is not as rosy as it looks from outside.Using Corporate HR policies on education system, in my personal opinion is not a great thing. Let the education scenario be away from corprate HR policies.

Ariella
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Ariella   9/14/2012 10:18:30 AM
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@SP sure there are politics and teams within corporations, as there are in just about all organizations. People like to feel that they are in control of their own fiefdom and will try to take down anyone who appears a threat to their authority and control. I've had that experience in schools as well as businesses. 

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Adeniji Kayode   9/14/2012 7:34:56 PM
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@Ariella,

That is one of the effect of misplaced priority

Adeniji Kayode
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Adeniji Kayode   9/14/2012 7:17:38 PM
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Having an HR is still in the heart of every corprate organisations in Africa, this other side of the coin mentioned is not yet a problem or not noticed in  this part of the world.

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TaimoorZ   9/16/2012 6:13:48 AM
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I think it all bogs down to the question of who has how much authority in the HR. If it's restricted to a single person that the human bias can easily kick in and the decision is not likely to be fair. If the authority is distributed amongst multiple people then the bias is not likely to settle in.

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Can Corportate Hands Guide Public Education?
garyk   9/17/2012 12:55:49 PM
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I have some QUESTIONS the readers can answer!!!

Where do you send your kids to school?

Where does the Presdent of the US send his Kids to school?

How do Private schools provide a better education?

How do private schools provide a good eduation with out a UNION?

How much TAX help do private schools get?

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Ned Ludd   9/17/2012 5:05:51 PM
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You pose hackneyed questions, but they deserve at least a desultory response. My three kids went to publc schools. Those of the President and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel attend private schools, partly for reasons of security, partly because the private schools in where both Obama and Emanuel live are better than the seriously stressed and overcrowded public schools available. Also, nowadays, because of educational "reform," all public schools are allowed to do is prepare kids for government-mandated standardized tests in reading and math. In private schools, they still teach music, art, foreign languages, science. As for comparing public and private schools, apples and oranges. If private schools had to accept and cope with ALL applicants, regardless of their background and family conditions, they would face difficulties similar to those that public schools MUST, by law, deal with. Despite the fact that private schools get to pick their students and turn away the majority of applicants (to public schools), the best public schools in America are as good, academically, as the best private schools. In terms of diversity, they are vastly better. Assuming that private education is always better than public education is an elitist fallacy. As with every other category of unionized workers, teachers organized into unions because they had no power within the workplace to affect the conditions of their jobs. They operated at the caprice not only of organized management, organized politics -- the School Board, and another, often hostile, organized force -- parents. Unlike most organized workers, teachers stand together not only for themselves but for a badly disorganized group that would be otherwise helpless -- their students. And taxes? Private schools are tax-exempt; they're also eligible for a host of taxpayer-funded programs through state, local and federal departments of education. You could look it up.

SP
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SP   9/18/2012 2:15:11 AM
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@Ned, very honest and true words.

garyk
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garyk   9/17/2012 6:29:50 PM
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Ned,

Your 100% correct in your statements. Your old enough to know how the schools were and what they envolved to.

If the kids behave and try to do the work they in most cases they can stay in the private school. Fix the schools, if it takes putting the National Guard in the school and in every class room, do it. et the parents envolved. Get rid of the gangs in Public Schools. Whats the dress code? Get the parents envolved! Make the schools in depressed area's a safe haven, a show place for the kids? Get the parents envolved! Don't you find it funny that we can send a football play to college and can't send a good student with no money to attend college?

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Mandes   8/10/2018 6:09:24 AM
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Barbara, I totally agree with you. Corporations can not take control of education. This is reminiscent of the times of Henry Ford when children were filled with information that was exclusively needed for production. It's good that now the students have the right to choose. Moreover, they can freely spend their time without thinking about studying. For example, Blogger recommends a couple of services that can give you freedom from routine. I think it's just amazing.

Leo Banks
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Leo Banks   2/7/2019 8:00:17 AM
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Yes, that also surprised me a lot when I first read about it. Such an effect on teachers is not just that. It is good that students have only a positive influence, as they read edusson review what gives them knowledge. So there is a problem, it needs to be urgently addressed so that the interests of the teachers are not touched.



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