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Can RIM Reboot?

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  1. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 22, 2011

    Apologies to our readers and guest–this has been postpoed to Sept. 29

  2. Adeniji Kayode
    September 29, 2011

    Be glad to join the discussion

     

  3. Adeniji Kayode
    September 29, 2011

    But which stronger player is capable on maintaining and sustainind the past success of RIM

  4. SunitaT
    September 29, 2011

    Hello everyone…

     

  5. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Hi all!

    We'll be starting in about 15 minutes

  6. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Hi everyone!

     

  7. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    Good day everyone!

  8. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    HEllo , Welcome to all,

  9. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    Hopefully this will be about more than recent consumer markets and give some insight and opinions to the real impact of RIMs venture in to automotive navigation market and becoming the default implementation.

  10. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    Hello all

  11. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    Hi everyone aboard!

  12. Jay_Bond
    September 29, 2011

    Hello everyone

  13. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    Can RIM Reboot? The same question could have been asked about Apple some 15 years ago.

  14. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    Hello, everyone! 

  15. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    SF is in the place!

  16. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    Hi SF!

  17. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @HH: Yay! Just in time. 😀

  18. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    I am in :)..

  19. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Hello everybody. Barbara will be getting us rolling in another five or so minutes.

     

  20. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @SF: I'm feeling sad over RIM's misfortune

  21. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji will the format be the same ? Initial 30 minutes dicussion ?

  22. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @Barabara: We have to follow the usual procedure, right? You first ask questions to Jeniffer, give time for Jennifer to answer and when you or Bolaji open the floor we start discussing with Jennifer and the other participants, right? 

  23. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    Hi Barb/Bolaji!

  24. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    Hi all… hoping there is at least SOME positive things about RIM's future in this chat!

  25. jbond
    September 29, 2011

    Hello everyone!

  26. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    I hope the format is the same. I'm stretching my typing fingers, but you guys are fast.

  27. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @DennisQ, You might be surprised at the silver lining in RIM's status.

  28. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    Suzan Barbara is coming , but yes I think so

  29. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    Hello EBN Community !

  30. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @DennisQ: I hope the same thing here!

  31. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Welcome everyone! I'd like to introduce today's guest, EBN Contributing Editor Jennifer Baljko. Jenn, Bolaji and I worked together back in the EBN print days, and Jenn started following the electronics industry and Silicon Valley scene in 1997. Jenn and EBN Editor in Chief Bolaji Ojo will lead our discussion today on Research In Motion (RIM.) We'll set the stage for the first 20 minutes or so and then open the floor to questions. Bolaji, will you start by reviewing RIM's most recent financials?

  32. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @Nemos: I see. Thanks. 

  33. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    @DennisQ, yeah, there is potential


  34. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    Guys, That's correct. Jennifer and I will answer some questions first and then open it up to the floor after 20 to 30 minutes but we want this particular session to be a very vigorous live chat, which means questions and responses should fly in all directions.

  35. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Bring it on

  36. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks for the clarification Bolaji.

     

  37. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    hello all .. lets talk about rim.

     

  38. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara, Sure thanks. Let me set the stage with some of the recent numbers from RIM. These are important to help us understand where the company is and what it needs to do to improve its position.

  39. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    hi everybody.

  40. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    Is RIm's best days over?

     

  41. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    Let's talk about REWARD IN MOTION!

  42. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    Please hold your comments until we open this up to everyone.

  43. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    First, some numbers….Bolaji?

  44. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    In its latest quarter, RIM posted sales of $4.2 billion, down from $4.56 billion in the comparable year-ago period and down from $4.9 in the immediately preceding quarter. Net income for the August quarterwas $329 million versus $796.7 million in the yeara-ago quarter.

  45. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    The trend has been down. Here are some additional numbers. Gross profit margin in the latest quarter was 38.7% versus 55.5 in the year-ago quarter and 43.9 sequentially.

  46. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Bolaji–In regard to those financials, what were RIM's reasons? Is there a product issue?

  47. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    I need to point out even a few more startling numbers.

  48. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    Hello Everyone!!!

  49. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @bolaji: “what it needs to do to improve its position.” Is there any RIM representative on the chat? how would they know the advise you are giving?

  50. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    I'll wait for Bolaji to finish, but I have one other financial tidbit to share.

  51. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    Let's take inventory, which can show how a company is using its resources. Inventories were up in August quarter (indicating lower than expected sales). Inventories rose to $1.37 billion in August compared with $645 million in the year-ago quarter. The finished goods inventory more than tripled on a year-to-year comparison. The company's accounts receivables went up and so did accounts payable. In all, they tell a story of a company struggling to boost sales, having less than efficient usage of resources.

     

  52. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    Finally,

  53. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Ok Jenn–what's you input on fincnials?

  54. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    It's cash position deteriorated. Research in Motion ended the quarter with $1.2 billion in cash compared with $2.4 billion in the prior quarter.

  55. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Well, the inventory numbers are always telling. They obvioulsy overshot estimates. And, I now suspect we'l have to see prices drop signiifcnatly to move things out of the pipeline

  56. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    The numbers are telling, especially the inventory. Clearly, the PlayBook isn't taking off. Jenn, can you take us through a few products highlights (or lowlights?)

  57. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    My conclusion was that the company's sales deteriorated because of its product lineup and as Jennifer just noted, they will have to reduce prices to move the inventory

  58. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Yeah, sure. 

  59. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Hold on… I didn't see my answer post. Trying again

  60. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    no problem Jenn…

  61. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Well, tried again and will just keep going

  62. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    OK. So RIM is the BlackBerry company…what happened?

  63. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    As we are all aware the Playbook didn't really score that well with customers. All the retail outlets have been slashing prices without announcing a formal price cut in the same way that HP did with the TouchPad. Even so, this is not really going to help RIM because it's price cuts aren't as deep as those of HP or as attractive as the new products announced by Amazon.

  64. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    The Blackberry is losing customers in North America faster than in other parts of the world. It is still selling fairly decently in Europe and briskly in developing economies, one reason the company is turning its marketing firepower in those regions.

  65. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    I haven't test-driven that many tablets…how was the PlayBook lacking?

  66. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Worse, is that this week, at an app developers event in Europe, RIM provided guidance that not many apps will be included in the Playbook

  67. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    Additionally, we need to remember that RIM is not really a multi-product company. It has the Blackberry smartphone and now the Playbook. It is not really well positioned to counter a softness in one part of its business with growth in other sectors.

  68. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Rim is putting a lot of faith into its QNX operating system for  future playBook and smartphone, but no on seems confident that this enough

  69. mkeller
    September 29, 2011

    it's not lacking at all

  70. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Well, how it's lacking….there are few things

  71. SunitaT
    September 29, 2011

    So will we see RIM selling its devices at low rates just like the HP sold its tablet ?

  72. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Some criticize that the software and hardware was rushed into development and is missing some of the things BlackBerry became known for

  73. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    The Playbook is itself a great product but one can say the same thing about all of the other tablet PCs in the market today. The greatest challenge the product faces is also the same one competitors are facing and that is the iPad.

  74. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    But how does it help the RIM to grow its business in the long term?It cant just shut down like HP did with their PC Business.

  75. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Also, it started competed against Apple, which means it started competing in the consumer space, and took its eye off its core business consumer

     

  76. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    Apple had first mover advantage, a great and loyal customer-base, adoring analysts and journalists who play up everything from the company. No other company has a similar following.

  77. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    So RIM has two good products…but a bad strategy? Price point?

  78. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    To answer the question about the Playbook, one of the complaints was that it had to be connected with the Blackberry smartphone for certain usage. This limits its usefulness to some segments of the market.

  79. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Yeah, I think the strategy got tangled up somewhere these last couple of years.

     

  80. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Bolaji–I can see how that is limiting.

  81. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Like Bolaji said, Apple won first-mover advantage and that's hard to counter-act

  82. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    Product cost is a big issue for RIM 

  83. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji/@Jennifer: coming back to Barbara's question on strategy, RIM has achieved significant business results in providing email services, but once happened apps time, feeling is they didn't update neither offer and technology, leaving their own platform quite poor. Do you think is a right and brief analysis? My feeling is this has been one of the major negative key factor.

  84. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    RIM's strength has always been the great relationship it has with service providers. This is being tested now with the Playbook, which is not seeing the same level of adoption. It has to get this back up again and then maybe the Playbook will gain a stronger adoption.

  85. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Are they going to resolve some of those shrtcoming in future releases?

  86. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    And, now with Amazon's announcement yesterday with a $199 tablet, things will shake up again

     

  87. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    Guys, we'll open this up in just a few minutes.

  88. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Jenn–excellent point. A lot of the pressd I am reading specifically mentions the Amazon impact on RIM. Why not the iPad?

  89. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    What is the relaease price of play book and how much less are they going to sell it?

  90. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    They are really hoping that the QNX operating system will save teh day, but it looks like it won't get the fulll Google Androis support on the app side 

  91. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    The company is addressing the “shortcomings”. I put these in quotes because there are areas obviously that would be difficult to deal with in a couple of quarters, including the market leadership Apple has. It is cutting costs and revamping product lines. It is coming out with new and more attractive smartphones and these are winning raves in the market.

  92. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    The question begs: Why would buy a Playbook if you get greta functionalty from Apple, or can buy most of the functionality from Amazon for more than half the price

  93. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    “one of the complaints was that it had to be connected with the Blackberry smartphone for certain usage”: It may be a strategy to make people who buy a Playbook to buy a Blackberry smartphone as well. But unfortunetely, it has failed .

  94. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    @Rich @Hospice we are not posting now just wait for a sec to finish the introduction

  95. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    There are a bunch of stories our today that retailers have already begun to slash prices. Hang on. let me grab some of them.

  96. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Hey Jenn, if you'd like to fiedl some questions from the audience, please go ahead (lots fo good styff)

  97. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Lots of bad typing…

  98. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    How will the release of Kindle fire affect RIM ?

  99. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    All right, let's open this up to the floor. Please feel free to contribute comments as well as questions but it is important to keep these civil. This is not an attempt to pound RIM but to explore what's going on and how the situation is being addressed.

  100. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    My questions are

    1> what is the change in the market share of RIM in smartphones and tablets ?

    2) What is the change in the market share yoy ?

    3) The falling sales and surplus inventories is becoming the common trend. How is RIMs position different than others?

     

  101. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    The Playbook is a consumer testbed for its automotive navigation interface development, why do analysts keep avoiding this issue and its true purpose?

  102. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    The one million dollars question: What should RIM do to reboot?

  103. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    According to news reports, prices on the  16-gigabyte version, which normally lists for $499.99 each, has been cut to a price of $299.99

  104. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    SOme of the things I've read: Amazon has set the new price point at half the iPad, but still 2X HP's tablet

  105. Jay_Bond
    September 29, 2011

    RIM seems to have been playing catch up the last few years trying to battle Apple and Android platforms. Shouldn't they focus more on innovation and the business segment? This was their bread and butter and how they built their smartphone empire.

  106. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Give me a second to read through some of the comments

  107. Jay_Bond
    September 29, 2011

    We got an email from staples offering $200 off the Playbook.

  108. jbond
    September 29, 2011

    A big issue with the playbook was pricing. They priced it the same as an Ipad and you get a smaller screen and nowhere near the capabilities.

  109. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    Thats a real significant reduction. But will this help them?

     

  110. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Anandvy, It's too early to say. I personally believe these are slightly different products. I wouldn't position the Playbook against the Kindle Fire, which is, to me, a high-end reader that will help Amazon retain customers and gain new ones. The Playbook is a direct competitor to the iPad rather than the Kindle and despite everything that has been said, the Kindle Fire is not going to kill the iPad.

  111. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

     

    @to ALL Do we know if RIM will bring a new product soon ?

  112. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    In addition to QNX evolution, the company is moving on tentatives to approach the market in a different way; they have launched “Enterprising Mind” program, it is a strategy to listen to customers, instead of bring products in, but in the “half duplex” communication way. Do you think could it work?

  113. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    The Kindle Fire will be an interesting thing to watch, and I'm sure Apple, Barnes and Noble, and RIM will be watching the holiday selling season

  114. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @prabhakar_deosthali, RIM's market share fell in the latest numbers I have seen. I believe they reportedly fell by half but so did Microsoft's Windows OS shares.

  115. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @Jennifer, RIM's share price up temporarily earlier this week, was there any recent activity as regards any new investors?

  116. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    I don't see why RIM should not look on the individual customers' side when it is losing ground on the enterprise side. Why not?

  117. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks, Bolaji, @Jennifer, @Barbara.

  118. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    mfb: some of the ciriticsm I have read is about RIM's focus on the enterprise.

  119. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    @Nemos, if they are to bring new product to close the gap, they will need to Ditch OS,Improve on the browser etc

     

  120. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    The Fire will mainstream tablets at more appealing price points. That said, if RIM can step back and focus much more on the core segment of the population that made it famous in the first place – the business consumer – they may have a chance

  121. SunitaT
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji, do you think the global slow down will impact RIM numbers ? Or will impact companies ilke APPLE more which are highly priced.

     

  122. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    Need to sort out their apps offerigs too

  123. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    I think the tablet gets more and more competetive in the next few months. Only few survive and this could even put some companies into a very bad losses. Do anyone think RIM should also have Android based tablets?

  124. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Nemos, RIM already introduced some updates to its Blackberry smartphone and updates to the Playbook are in the work. It will most likely get some bounce from the new Blackberry smartphones but must do more to spark sales of the Playbook.

  125. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    Yes, maybe we should be looking at what happened with RIM, what is going on and how the problem can find a solution, if that is even possible at this point. 

  126. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    HH–I see that similar to what HP is doing in possibly spinning off the PC unit. The message: Consumer and enterprise don't mix

  127. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    Btw a number context might be useful, manufacturing sales declined by 1.7% in Canada last month due to currency and Canadian Companies have increased inventories due to US and global supply instabilities. A 0.6% decline in profit by RIM is beating the rest of the manufacturers in Canada.

  128. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    You're Barbara, they can't focus too much on the enterprise either. There has to be a mix.

     

  129. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    optech–fill us in more about the RIM automotive strategy–I'm not familiar with it

  130. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Barb: I see.

  131. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    Don't think too much was said about RIM's executive leadership, and as Bolaji has previously pointed out… I think the general feeling is that the guys at the top are — at the very least — not doing as good a job as they probably should. Can RIM succeed under its current leadership or should they bring in new talent?

  132. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    I think RIM should just jump on the bandwagon, simply follow in the steps of HP and Amazon to slash its tablet price considerably.

  133. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Tirlapur, Show me the company that won't be impacted by the global slowdown. Every electronics company will be affected. However, companies are also using this opportunity to invest in new designs and new products. That was the conclusion I had after attending the Embedded Systems Conference in Boston. They want to be prepared for when the market bounces back as it surely will. I believe RIM is investing in new designs too but we may not see some of these for a while.

  134. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    I reading some analysts reports on what they do, and some of the key points seems to be come up more competitive products, strengthen their credibility in the market, return to superior execution

  135. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    so if they want to be successful, they must change their marketing and push the playbook ? or they must improve the playbook firmware first ? 

  136. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    My personal thoughts on the PlayBook is that it should be marketed and designed towards enterprise users and that trying to compete head-to-head with Apple in the consumer space is a waste of time.

  137. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Jenn–it seems as though compnaies are abandoning the consumer (which, with the PC used to be business) market in favor of the enterprise. Granted, the enterprise has lots of $$$ to spend, but there are many players deeply entrenched there, such as IBM

  138. Jay_Bond
    September 29, 2011

    I think Jim Bassille was too focused on buying the Phoenix Coyotes and moving them to Hamilton instead of focusing on his company.

  139. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    @DennisQ- The top leadership structure is what has a number of shareholders up in a bunch

  140. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @Wale: I also believe that would be a good option. 

  141. DrFred
    September 29, 2011

    Enterprise customers have been loyal due to the BB e-mail security as compared to Win, but now with Android and Apple flexing muscles in this space, i suspect that this advantage is soon gone.  What is then left of RIM?  Their OS and HW along with MMI just sucks

  142. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    How much is the PlayBook at the moment? 

  143. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    @ Barbara, I do not belive in consumer and enerprise doesn't mix. Apple started as consumer is slowly moving to more enterprisee supportive so the other way also shouldn't be a problem for RIM. But what makes difference is RIM blackberry is always been a professional device before all these smart phones came into the market. Now with the entrance of Samsung, LG and HTC into the smart phones the market is completely changing.

  144. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    There is an opportunity for RIM to score well if they marry their Blackberry with the Cloud with  some useful enterprise apps and revive the enterprise business. What is your opinion -Bolaji, Barbara, Jennifer?

  145. SunitaT
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji what I meant was since Apple's margins are more compared to other companies, was guessing if Apple will be affected more compared to others.

  146. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @DennisQ, RIM's leadership did a great job for years pushing the company and they cornered the corporate messaging market as a result. Their inability to foresee the huge advances smartphones would make into the consumer market was a major error and the company is paying for that now. Additionally, how can anyone really anticipate how disruptive Apple would be?

  147. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    when dealing with RIM engineering it is clear there are many silo mentalities and on occasion no clear and agreed roadmap….this normally filters from the top

  148. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Jenn–also good point. How did the whole shareholder thing begin?

  149. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @SF: I have experienced, for a long, broadband from Northen Europe telecom operators, usually mobile coverage was (is) really good. RIM has left in telecom players power sub-layer functionalities, instead apps from Google or Apple could count on Wifi hotspot (most of them are providing free access). Do you think lack of wifi free-connection in the past, has impacted RIM's success?

  150. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    It is part of RIMs aquisition and integration of QNX. It is utilising the Playbook and OS8 Smartphones to push interface development in the automotive navigation OS market. By coupling high volume consumer device development to the lower volume (higher profit) automotive markets it can develop a better user experience faster than any of its competition.

  151. Eldredge
    September 29, 2011

    @Flyingscot – In fact, it needs to come from the top. I fit doesn't, silo mentality is what results.

  152. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    electrynx–I agree, but it seems to me it is becoming a one-or-the other strategy in the battle for R&D. Consumer products chnage so quickly…the enterprise not so much

  153. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Barbara – the shareholder issue started back in the early part of the summer. Started with the executive leadership structure and now has moved onto patents sell-off

  154. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara (enterprise market): have heard about reasons? After all, it was their court.

  155. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @Susan, thanks. Playbook price cut from $499 to $359

  156. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @DrFred, enterprise is also loyal to RIM just due to being lazy and not wanting to throw out all our existing infrastructure and move to an unproven/possibly-less-secure alternative. But good points, if they lose these customers… what's left isn't that appealing.

  157. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @DrFred, Excellent point. RIM can no longer compete on being an enterprise messaging company. That era is gone. Years ago, very few companies looked outside RIM for enterprise messaging because of the security it promised. Today, with every employee preferring Android or Apple, IT departments are being forced to integrate these into their messaging requirements.

  158. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    In an attempt to recoup some money and take advantage of Nortel patents bought as part of a consortium, shareholders suggested that option a few weeks ago

  159. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    mfb: haven't seen it publicly, but my guess is where the R&D is best spent.

  160. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Jenn–how much $$ we talkin?

  161. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @mfbertozzi: Most likely that has contributed. WiFi hotspots are free and everywhere, which means a device that lacks the power of WiFi connectivity doesn't have a chance to compite with the ones that have it. 

  162. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    But, according to some analysts, RIM doesn't really own many of the patents that would be essential for next generation products

  163. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    I was loyal to a snowman, once, but it melted.” Rich ahahhaha really ?

  164. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @DennisQ, I concur. I recall companies would literally announce they would not support any other corporate messaging systems, which was one of the problems Windows faced. It started to unravel when employees would go out and buy their own iPhones and simply asked to be connected to the company IT system. Even C-level executives jumped in.

  165. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Barbara – lost you…how much money talking for what? patents?

  166. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @SF: thx, I fully agree with you.

  167. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Sorry Jenn–yes, the patents. It seems like a one-time band-aid and not a long-term solution

  168. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji, RIM smarphone strenght is always phone chatting and bb messages centric which attracted consumer market as well as enterprise. That strategy should be transfered to its playbook and make price cheaper to Apple and Samsung tablets

  169. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @Wale: Thanks. I don't see how it can compite with either the iPad or with the new Amazon's Fire. 

  170. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    What if RIM plans to adopt Android, will things change for RIM ?

  171. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji, right, it's very difficult to stay on RIM/BES when the CEO and VP's are demanding that you get corporate mail to work on their iPhones.

  172. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Opstech, Thank you for bringing that up. Somebody asked earlier if there were some upside for RIM in the current situation and I believe this is one of them. The company is still a major player and it's easy to forget the fundamental robustness of its technology and how these can be applied in other areas of the economy.

  173. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    I think on the whole, Blackberry will need to come up with a better marketing strategy. If the likes of Google and partners could put up stronger extensive marketing strategy

  174. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Rich: What about $$$?

  175. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Anandvy, If RIM adopts Android, I'll eat my shoes.

  176. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @SF: in addition, local operators have preferred to limit foreign proprietary services, it is happened quite recently in the Gulf for example, and maybe this is another piece of the puzzle for rolling down RIM.

  177. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    RIM paid about $770 million for its share of Nortel patents. Sale will close third quarter of 2011

  178. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @anandvy, what good would them switching to Android do? Then how would RIM be any different from the many other companies that already sell Android devices? Wouldn't make any sense at all… and it's not like RIM is renowned for their great hardware design either, really.

  179. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Sorry, guys… some of my posts don't seem to be posting…

  180. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    Apple was always cool and BB was always business.  The line is more blurry now as more players come in.  

  181. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    RIM has its own independent to preserve. It shoud not adopt Android.

  182. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Wale Bakare, You just put your thumb on a sore point for everyone in the industry. Pricing is where the market can break Apple's stranglehold and companies like Amazon may be the ones to do it but not RIM. They need their coffers full.

  183. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    Android market topped 30,00 apps. hence I don't see why they shouldn't adopt Android op sytems

     

  184. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara (enterprise): really? From my point of view key point, still not resolved, is about connection's costs.

  185. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    If RIM adopts Android, I'll eat my shoes.” @Bolaji it is possible to happen , we have seen a lot in the supply chain.

  186. DrFred
    September 29, 2011

    A way forward might be for RIM and Samsung to join forces….

  187. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    Because most of the android phones are selling like hotcake…Nokia lost because it didnt opt for android…RIM is also loosing its market to Android….just curious whatz wrong in adoption something which is popular ?

  188. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    RIM may allow Android apps

  189. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Hang in there Jenn! We aren't getting repeats, whihc we did last chat 🙂

  190. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Rich Krajewski, So who would buy RIM and to what end?

  191. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @mfbertozzi: Local operators where you mean? 

  192. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    RIM may allow Android apps to run on its platform. 

  193. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    Is Andriod going to become MS Windows of this decade?

  194. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara (enterprise): corporations are trying to cut costs, RIM services still require payment policies based on traffic volume

  195. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    RIM allowing Andoid apps is indirectly endorsing android isnt it ?

  196. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    Right, there is the whole thing where RIM may support Android apps, but actually moving to Android completely… no, that would basically be the end of the company.

  197. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    With Apple OS and Android there is little room for RIM OS

  198. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @Anna, it's extremely diffcult for RIM to come up with any strategy that can successfuly fight Apple and Samsung. My opinion,  is either dumps tablet OS for Android or price cut to very low level

  199. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    RIM may allow Android apps @Hospice It is not that simple , we are talking about two different operating systems.

  200. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @SF: I was meaning South. Am. and Gulf, in general, for example, but also from Russian Federation, costs for 3G rooming (sub-layer to allow RIM services to run) are still very expensive.

  201. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    I am not sure many people know the value of QNX or the markets it is currently used in … it is heavily used in space, medical, industrial and, military applications.  RIM could simply be returning to its roots …

  202. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Hi all–Jenn is having technical difficulties please stand by 

  203. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    When a company like RIM has to price cut that is the end.

  204. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    let's try again

     

  205. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @Flyingscot: The line between cool and business is blury now.

  206. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Rich Krajewski, I understand Wharton's point. But they should identify potential candidates too.

  207. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    @Wale, I think the best option is to adopt android op system

     

  208. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Nemos: I know. But there are ways to integrate different platforms. That could be possible if RIM wants to.

  209. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    ok… now if I can just remember what I wrote.  Thanks for your patience.

  210. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Jenn's back! So Jenn, any more input about RIM's product strategy going forward?  Where should they focus?

  211. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    Tablets are more like computers, they should support the OS used by the highest number of consumers just like how all the PC's support the Windows. RIM .. move to android or else shut down like what HP did.

  212. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Anna: Why would that be the best option? RIM will lose its “very soul”

  213. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @opstech, I do agree that there are still opportunities for RIM to be successful if it focuses on space/medicine/industrial/military/enterprise. But it's hard for me to be convinced they can compete in the consumer market in any significant way in the future.

  214. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    @Wale, @Anna Young – I agree to some extent. Adopting the Android OP system could be a plus

  215. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Opstech, That's what I meant by saying RIM has options. I believe the strategy of focusing on a single product was damaging to the company. But there are still options out there where it can remain a player in the smartphones market but still go deeper into other industrial, manufacturing and heavy machinery markets.

  216. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @mfbertozzi: I see. 

  217. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    @Dennis, it's already lost its very soul don't you think?

     

  218. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @Rich, I'm not convinced… HP buying Palm for instance wasn't exactly a success, in hindsight.

  219. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Barbara – I think from a product standpoint, they are going to have to find a way to develop a more competitive product. I don't if that will be an operating system issue or a form factor design, but they have to take a step back and figure how they lost such an strong edge and why users are not following them

  220. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @anna, well, they've lost at least SOME of their soul, yes, I'd agree.

  221. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    I don't know exactly though how they are going to refocus

  222. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji: The question is : Does RIM has what it take to go deeper into other industrial, manufacturing and heavy machinery markets.

  223. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    So, is everybody so negative about RIM? Aren't there redeeming and admirable qualities in the company that it can leverage for higher revenue growth later?

  224. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    From the production standpoint, the consumer and industrial/enterprise models are very different. You may have great stuff to offer each, but you can't use the same production model. Maybe that is where RIM stumbled?

  225. DrFred
    September 29, 2011

    Adopting Android would just turn RIM into another HW supplier and that will not cure the problem.  That space is crowded already.  No, they need to find a way to tie up the enterprise customers with unique products and offerings that are diverse from waht you can get from another HW supplier…

  226. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @Jennifer: If you don't see one of your posts, don't try to type in the text box again. Instead, try ctrl+z and you will get the same text you typed before in the box. 

  227. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @Anna, i agree with you. RIM's market share portion is gradually on the downward.

  228. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    Why would RIM wnat Android? HTC has a 39% adopotion/retention rate on its Android devices, the lowest in the industry.

  229. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    @Dennis, what we want to see is RIM's revival

  230. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    There needs to be stronger execution, and that comes from the top down. So maybe depending on how the next few quarters go, we'll here about changes in governance or top positions

  231. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Susan–you are teh HELP line! Thansk!

    🙂

  232. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @DrFred, I very much agree!

  233. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Anyone know who manufactures the Playbook and BBerry?

  234. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

     

     – thanks tried that and it keeps doing something wacky, mostly when I grab a name

  235. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    I think Google acquiring Motorola will give very good oppurtunity to  RIM to expand its business because this acquisation will drive away companies like Samsung from adopting android….

  236. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    Bolaji–RIM needs to reach out to enterprises, understand their changing needs and  make suitable product changes to retain this customer base

  237. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    How is RIM doing in comparision with Nokia?

  238. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Jennifer: in a such way, could we consider RIM similar to Nokia? At the end, it seems the strategy to adopt a proprietary plat and still decide to stay there, is not providing strong help in business and good positioning in the future.

  239. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Hospice_Houngbo, I believe it does. Whether it has the leadership in place to take it into that direction is another thing. Focusing solely on smartphones was sweet for a while until rivals figured out entry points and took advantage of these. Perhaps a review of the company's focus and operational strategy is important and this should involve moving beyond messaging.

  240. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara, Quanta, I think

  241. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    @anna young @Dennis, maybe it's not a revival, maybe it's just a reassurance that they will be working on more competitve products

  242. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara, correction, Quanta for the Playbook. Not sure about their phones.

  243. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks DQ. Not sure I have any value to add on that…

  244. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Yes, Quanta is producing for both RIM and now Amazon tablets

  245. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Phones – not sure either

  246. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    No ,I think RIM it will figure out a way to be successfully. The quality,flexibility and the feature of the product always matter.So if a product have all the above it is matter of time to fix all the others(marketing,strategy, etc)

  247. DrFred
    September 29, 2011

    @barabara – Celestica is the RIM EMS

  248. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @Jennifer: What is what you are trying to do? 

  249. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    Most blackberries are manufactured in Mexico. The Playbook is from Taiwan. It should be noted that both facilities adhear to human rights guidelines unlike Apple Foxconn faciliies. 

  250. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    By the way, the enterprise side that DrFred wrote about is also happening in the automotive space. RIM's operating system can be used here by companies like Volkswagen.

  251. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji: I see, there may be the need to change the leadership then?

  252. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    @opstech, to be fair, I don't think HTC's hardware is well-regarded from a reliability standpoint, so I'm not surprised by those figures.

  253. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

     – hmm… comparing RIM to Nokia…. it might be an interesting comparison. They both in the last few years  have taken missteps that will be hard to correct

  254. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Or, at least will take time to correct

  255. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @DrFred what about Quanta Computer manufacture?

  256. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks DrFred. I'm wondering if part of RIM's problem is in its manufacturing execution. The high inventory on PlayBook…sure, they didn't sell well, but JIT is supposed to offset that.

  257. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    How about making Steve Jobs to take the reins of RIM?

  258. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    @DennisQ maybe, although most numbers are reported from user experiance and abandonment in hopes the newer Android OS fixed the old problems.

  259. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Prabhakar: Steve Jobs wants to rest now!

  260. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Jennifer: the other point of comparison is about jobs; it seems distributed production strategy adopted in the past doesn't work, Nokia announced today jobs' cut for several thousands in Romania, for example, due to need to re-size production process.

  261. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Susan – I'm trying to grab a user name and paste it into the box. I also before tried to cut and paste some numbers/notes I jotted down, but everything vanished when I hit post. It either won't post or keeps spinning. Tried refreshing a few times and seems to be working

  262. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    That is a taller order for RIM board !

  263. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    OK folks, we are approaching our last few minutes of time. In addition to technical problems, everyone but Rich probably has typing fatigue Any last questions for Jenn?

  264. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @mfbertozzi, It's the nature of the market. We have some serious disruptions happening everywhere and it's not limited to Nokia, RIM or even HP. We forget that Motorola Mobility (as it is now known) invented the wireless handset and was once the leading company in that segment. I believe the realignment in the handset market was inevitable and companies need to stay alert constantly.

  265. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara: poor Jenny…is under fire!

  266. DrFred
    September 29, 2011

    I do not beleive that RIM's supply and partner structure has anything to do with their current problems.  The past has kind of proven that.  More likely is it atttributable to an era that is coming to an end with obsolete designs in times of stiff and “unexpected” competition.  Also called complacency or “fat, dumb, and happy”

  267. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara, I still would like someone to tell me they believe RIM has a chance and explain why or are we all skeptics?

  268. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    Thta is the point! It is the realignmnet that is happening and RIM cannot be an exception!

  269. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    @mfbertozzi – thanks for the heads up about Nokia' cuts I hadn't seen that. I don't remember if RIM has announced lay-offs recently. But I think it goes back to Bolaji's earlier point that RIM is less diversifid than others in the space

  270. ntt
    September 29, 2011

    RIM needs to stay the course and get OS8 released and to abandon the old platforms. Somehow they got confused in the crossover and delayed implementation. 

     

  271. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Jenny – me?!? Please Jenn instead… not a Jenny =)

  272. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Anyone taking Bolaji's challenge?

  273. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji: yes, I agree, but to do that corporations need strong a prepared executives and managers.

  274. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @DrFred, In fact RIM has a better working relationship with suppliers and a better reputation for fairness than some of its competitors. The problem RIM has does not extend to suppliers. It's fundamental but not in that direction.

  275. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @Barbara, i also learnt Quanta Computer manufacture – china based contracted to produce RIM's tablet PC

  276. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    If nobody will, I'll take my own challenge.

  277. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Agree with DrFred – wouldn't be so quick to blame the supply chain or mfg practices. Think their losing on product design

  278. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    well done Bolaji

     

  279. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    For the record, I'm a skeptic. I think RIM was too slow and too late, at least in tablets.

  280. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    We all agree that Applications drives the smartphone, until BB gets this right, it's going to be trailing behind.

  281. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Go

  282. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    @Jennifer: well, really sorry it was a typing mistake….

  283. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Yeah, I'm with Barbara. I'm a skeptic. But I'm always a skeptic

  284. DrFred
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji , agree completely.  Their supply chain and partners are world class as well as their requirements and standars for production quality.

  285. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    mfbertozzi – no problem =)

  286. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    RIM is still a multi-billion dollar company with a great following in many markets. Corporate IT types still have a lot of loyalty to the company and it has more than 100 telecom service partners globally. It's Blackberry is doing fine in other parts of the world and if the company reboots them on time with newer products it will come out fine. It needs time. I hope it gets it because the fundamental technology is super.

  287. AnalyzeThis
    September 29, 2011

    I think RIM has potential to be a success again, but currently it's hard to stay optimistic given how bad of a failure the Playbook was and how clueless the current executive leadership seems to be to the seriousness of their plight. I think with fresh, strong leadership and a renewed focus on what they do best, RIM can rebound. But right now it seems like RIM is content to kind of stay on the same path, just jog a little bit faster. That's not going to work.

  288. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    RIM should focus on what it does best…..

  289. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    No worries on typos or Jennies anyhting else–I want to thank Jenn, Bolaji and our readers!

    Maybe Rich K wants to be our next guest on Live Chat?

  290. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Right – I don't think the end is imminent. But changes need to be made

  291. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks again, Jenn–you're good to go. I really appreciate your time.

  292. SunitaT
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji what do you mean by fundamental technology ? Hardware features ?

  293. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    It's being a pleasure as usual and everyone has been stellar. Thank you and we wish you all a fine rest of the week.

  294. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks everyone. It's been fun.

  295. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji: I share your point. RIM is still in MOTION!

  296. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    thank you for be here in this exiting chat

  297. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks @Bolaji@Barbara@Jennifer and Everyone.

  298. Anand
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks everyone….good day

  299. DrFred
    September 29, 2011

    Well, Digital and Wang were once huge corporations with significant sales numbers, but they did not move with the evolution and guess where thay are today…  RIM is poised to go the same way – unfortunately…

  300. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Tirlapur, RIM is a lot more than hardware. Four years ago, nobody would have thought we would be chatting about RIM's market performance. The market changed but its core remains very valuable.

  301. prabhakar_deosthali
    September 29, 2011

    Bye to all! enjoyed the discussion. Will somebody from RIM have a look at thi stuff?

  302. Barbara Jorgensen
    September 29, 2011

    Hi all, this is the formal end of the Chat. Please continue on the EBN message boards–we really appreciate your participation.

  303. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    free beer ? Bolaji really ?

     

  304. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks, @Bolaji, @Barbara and @Jennifer! 

  305. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Beer and chips? I'm in!

  306. FLYINGSCOT
    September 29, 2011

    Great discussion folks….cheerio

  307. mfbertozzi
    September 29, 2011

    Thanx everyone, thx Jenn, Barbara, Bolaji for your time.

  308. Anna Young
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks to all the EBN community

  309. Jennifer Baljko
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks again everyone. Til next time.

  310. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    WE ARE STILL IN MOTION. That is our proud here. Thanks everyone. Buy a PlayBook today and you wont be desappointed

  311. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji-I don't think RIM is good for nothing.

  312. elctrnx_lyf
    September 29, 2011

    Bye to all .. please send a transcript to the CEO of RIM if  he interested 🙂

  313. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @DrFred, I can't dispute the history of Wang and Digital. Perhaps RIM can avoid their fate but that is up to the management and the shareholders. Let's hope they were watching and listening to our conversation.

  314. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    Bye to all ,see you in the next chat- Dialog

  315. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    I meant “PRIDE”

  316. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    @Bolaji-On the contrary I think their ENterprise Security features are second to none.

  317. SunitaT
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks everyone. Bye

  318. bolaji ojo
    September 29, 2011

    @Rich, Don't start the weekend too early. 🙂

  319. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    And RIMs security feature set is much-much superior to both Android and Apple

  320. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    Can I have something else instead of beer? 😀 like tea?

  321. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    I second you, SF.

  322. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    ahhaah Suzan come on

  323. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    The big problem for Enterprises today is if they have to choose one solution(&one solution only) for Mobile-RIM is not in the Top two choices.

  324. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    @Rich-Wow Rich,I can see you are working very,very hard!!!

  325. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @SF: I have a tea maker in my office. Can I pour your some?

  326. Wale Bakare
    September 29, 2011

    @tech4people, thanks for that. I learnt most consumers arent secuirty concious when it comes to smart devices.

  327. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    @wale-Very true.Most customers dont care a damn about security.

  328. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    Thanks, @HH. Yes, please.

  329. Nemos
    September 29, 2011

    @tech4people you miss the whole thing

  330. Houngbo_Hospice
    September 29, 2011

    @SF: OK, enjoy and have a great weekend.

  331. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    @HH. Thanks. You too.

  332. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    Have a great weekend, everyone. See you on the boards and the next chat.  

  333. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    Have a great weekend guys!!

     

  334. Susan Fourtané
    September 29, 2011

    And remember: the electronics sales will give us a surprise this Christmas. Don't forget to vote -> The poll is still open. 🙂 

  335. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    @Susan-Electronic sales may or may not surprise this winter.

  336. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    @Susan-What is your rationale for Bumper Electronic sales this winter?

  337. Ashu001
    September 29, 2011

    @Susan-As far as I know and hear-Europe and America are both sliding back into a recession & Asia is grappling with serious inflationary issues,so where are these bumper sales going to come from?

  338. Susan Fourtané
    September 30, 2011

    @tech4people: Wait and see. 

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