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Dave Sasson
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Re: Security Concerns Throttling Telecom OEMs
Dave Sasson   4/4/2011 7:31:31 AM
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Hi Toms, based on Hardcore’s experience, it seems that foreign companies don’t get the choice to put in their own safeguards in place, but rather have to provide the Chinese government some sort of backdoor access. 

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Re: Security Concerns Throttling Telecom OEMs
Dave Sasson   4/4/2011 7:25:57 AM
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Hi Hardcore, I wouldn’t have thought the meddling was so blatant.  I would have thought it was more covert and secretive.  Thanks for sharing your personal experience on this matter.

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Re: Security Concerns Throttling Telecom OEMs
Toms   4/4/2011 4:10:55 AM
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   HC, I would like to fully agree with your comment. Rather than bothering about foreign markets, they would like to do the spy work at any cost. More over, they would like to use each and every instance for spying rather than any sort of business.

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Toms   4/4/2011 4:04:55 AM
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   Anandvy, you are right. Since India and china are neighbors, obviously there should be some sort of mutual trust in diplomatic level and the same may reflect in business level also. When considering the internal market and requirements; India had to import large quantity of electronic equipments and many of the companies prefer importing from china because of low cost and accessibility. Now it’s the e-world and china is trying to add spy ware with the gadgets, for spying purposes.

    But again due to the current requirements from the internal market, government can’t ban the importing of equipments in a single day. So Government is trying to approach the goal by gradually. That means, increasing the internal production in step by step over coming days, for a complete ban of importing from china.

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Re: Security Concerns Throttling Telecom OEMs
Toms   4/4/2011 3:21:27 AM
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   Dave, I don’t think like that. Microsoft or even Google they are business units, they want to do the business and earn profit. Nothing more than that and they are not bothered any other issues than business. But India and china are two neighboring countries and more over both are among the front runners of global economy. China always needs an eye on the internal happening of the neighbors and for this; they would try for all measures.

   So, obviously there are some sort of cold war and each wants to be the better than other. It’s always suspected that china is trying to spy confidential details from other countries. Telecom equipments can be one source for spying or tapping the confidential conversations, especially in military and diplomatic forefronts. So the best part for safe guarding are preferring self made equipments and deploying different security measures.

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Re: Security Concerns Throttling Telecom OEMs
Hardcore   4/4/2011 2:27:16 AM
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Hi Dave,

To answer your question about them risking damaging the market., to a greater extend they do not care about the Foreign business market, specifically because China is a massive market.

My own personal experience with China telicoms companies, includes them trying to gain direct access to the Computer systems   of foregn enterprises, and they are not at all shy about it.

There is one initiative currently underway since 2008-2009 that requires ALL foreign businesses to install a 'China government' firewall inside the corporate networks, now interestingly enough this 'equipment' bridges ANY and ALL corporate firewalls, in that when installed the 'box' has access to ALL traffic from individual computers/servers, AND also the final feed out of the company, the box is specifically designed as a firewall 'bridge'.

You get a password for 'user' level access, but full admin rights are not granted to anyone other than the local Telicom company and the police/government department.

By various means i managed to get one of these boxes installed so that it did not bridge our corporate firewall but was instead  in a sandbox with dummy feeds.

I can safely say i did not like what I saw, the box is also designed so that any sort of external tampering or opening triggers a visit from the security department. 

The equipment was capable of 'packet capture' which ultimatly geve it access to ALL passwords and internet data that was not HTTPS encrypted(or even this with currently available de-cryption technology), indeed if you did not use heavy encryption between your own internal computers and internal servers INSIDE your own office then there would be a problem with security.

If they are so blatant about installing backdoors into foreign businesses operating inside of China, do you really think they will not do the same on external equipment?

Even worse such equipment gives any potential hacker a backdoor around ANY and all corporate security, they a hacker only needs to crack one of these boxes, then all the boxes are targetable.

 

HC.

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Re : Security Concerns Throttling Telecom OEMs
anandvy   4/3/2011 8:09:55 AM
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Toms Jacob,

  Great article. The decision by the Indian government to impose restrictions on Chinese telecom equipments, is understandable. Both China and India are both emerging nations. Unfortunately there is little mutual trust between these two asian giants. Moreover its been rumoured Chinese agents have been hacking into India's top secret documents. So its obvious that Indian govt is not trusting chinese telecom companies.

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Security Concerns Throttling Telecom OEMs
Dave Sasson   4/1/2011 7:45:29 AM
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Hi Abey, interesting article.  It reminds me of the stories about Microsoft when the company initially was attempting to penetrate the country with their OS and how the Chinese government wanted access to the source code to add their own cryptography when used in sensitive settings.  Microsoft finally agreed and now enjoys a robust business in China. 

At his point, do you think China would jeopardize its standing as a leader in outsourced manufacturing by adding spyware to telecom equipment?   

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