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elctrnx_lyf
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Embedded passives
elctrnx_lyf   5/23/2011 1:39:09 PM
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The printed circuit have become much much complex than it is around 15 years ago because of the huge BGA chips and various other signal integrity recommendations that needs to be followed. So may be the inexpensive passives are not an worry to the design houses. If the passives have to embedded all the OEM's need a specific engineers to take care of the effects of it. So we won't see embedded passives in the PCB's.

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TIOLUWA   5/16/2011 1:48:07 PM
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If it's just for the purpose of another great idea, and inovation, why not! Embeddd passives would be awesome.

However, in a competitive market, alot of issues come up.

1. will special PCB equipments have to be designed to support embedded passives?

2. what about the software to design the embedded passives have those been done, tested and perfected? what extra complexities will they bring to the design process.

3. Has their durability, efficiency and stability been tested?

 

I think we need all the facts as to what embedded passives really cost both to the manufatuere and to the designer as well.

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Re: Embedded passives
Clairvoyant   5/16/2011 12:14:14 PM
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Embedded passives are a great idea, however a couple challenges I can quickly think of would be trying to perfect the values of the embedded passives during the design process, and having high tolerances on the board materials in order to get the right values. Also, if there are any manufacturing issues on the PWB's, it would be very hard or impossible to fix on built up PWBs and they would need to be discarded.

saranyatil
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Embedded passives
saranyatil   5/16/2011 11:34:02 AM
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Implementating embedding passives should be a technique adopted which will free up the space on the top surface, in turn all other active components can be placed. Especially this can be used in small devices.

Suppose if we can place capacitor dielectric between ground and power this will become a good filter and also we can connect the capacitor near the active component there by will reduce the number of layers.

anandvy
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Re : Challenges of Embedded Passives
anandvy   5/14/2011 11:26:19 PM
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"Their conclusion was that embedding passives into the board would save some amount of cost for resistors and capacitors"

@Kory,

 Embeddeding passives will results in higher cost (per unit area) of boards fabricated with embedded passives and possible decreases in throughput of the board fabrication process. Do you still feel this will save cost ?

Wale Bakare
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Consumer Market Demands for Product Multifunctionalities and Miniaturisation
Wale Bakare   5/13/2011 11:46:05 AM
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It has been come imperative for future electronic design products to face with huge challenges due to an increase in their market demand. So also, while this is about to happen we cant rule out for less expensive  functionable materials to integrate to the design board.

1 - If embedded passive elements could be the determining factor for a) optimum component performance b) technical processing c) cost effective ie less expensive i could not see why the design engineers should shirk away from adopting more responsibilities.

2 - Leakage: If concerns about the power leakage could also be brought to a considerable level by developing with high -K materials so as to improve battery consumption, i think it could be worthwhile taking up the challenges  with embedded passives.

Nemos
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what about service ?
Nemos   5/13/2011 10:49:32 AM
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"embedding resistors and capacitors into the PCB" What happens if we want to repair or rework a PCB with embedded resistors and capacitors? Doesn't this make the service job very difficult?

Because most of the engineers they don't think what will happen if something goes wrong after the manufacture process of the product.





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