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Anage1961
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Anage1961   6/4/2019 6:13:49 AM
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prabhakar_deosthali
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prabhakar_deosthali   8/29/2012 5:41:52 AM
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Douglas,

There have been many instances when a substandard or duplicate part was forced upon to be used in the product in the company in which I was working. One of the proudcts was the TV remote in which the conductive ink being used on the touchpads was a substandrad one and it was with the knowledge of purchase and managment just to reduce cost. When we had umpteen problems of failed remotes in the field, finally the engineering manager had to become toucgh enough to get the required quality ink from a reputed supplier.

Similarly the EPROM Ics ( 2764 at that time ) were being bought from some garage shops and the purchase people used to carry them in their shirt pockets ( disregarding the antistatic norms ) and we would be lucky if one out of four ICs worked properly ( many times they would have rusted legs -indicating they were definitely picked up from some discarded boards)

I was also part of a vehicle manufacturing company where in the name of value engineering the originally designed parts used to be replaced by some third party cheaper parts by purchase dept to save costs.

So in my opinion unless the manufacturer himself is commited to a quality product, the suppliers will continue to take advantage by supplying second quality counterfeit parts

garyk
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Anti-Counterfeit Measures
garyk   8/28/2012 6:16:19 PM
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Question: Why didn't we have Counterfeit problems 20 years ago? What has changed? Two simple questions tobe answered.

Barbara Jorgensen
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Small companies
Barbara Jorgensen   8/28/2012 3:34:29 PM
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I absolutely agree the process you suggest is a fail-safe for small or any-size companies. Here's one issue I see for the small guys, though: they may not have enough clout with suppliers to get that information in a timely manner or at all. True, a responsible supplier will provide the appropraite information no matter what.

The other issue I see is technically, suppliers "guarantee" a part isn't counterfeit by their warrantees. They additionally put the onus on customers by stating any part not bought through an authorized source will not be supported or replaced. It seems to me this is an "out" for any supplier that doesn't want to answer any additional questions.

Douglas Alexander
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Douglas Alexander   8/28/2012 2:32:57 PM
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@Prabhakar, can you please give us a real life example of what you are talking about? If the designer is designing with only cost in mind, then he or she is doing the company a great harm. Brokers adjust their prices based upon demand. If a part goes on allocation, the same supplier who got the design win, may sell the first unallocated lot at a cheap price, but when times are tough, that price is going to skyrocket. The designer should be using parts with multiple sources and that have the best performance required in order to meet the operating margins the product needs to survive in the field. A counterfeitier will lie about part numbers and they will lie and even forge specifications and certificates of compliance.

Douglas Alexander
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Re: Anti-Counterfeit Measure: Get It in Writing
Douglas Alexander   8/28/2012 2:24:26 PM
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@SP...I strongly agree with you. On the contrary, the buyer has a moral and ethical obligation to expose the supplier offering counterfeit parts. If a part is sold as new but is in fact used, then that is fraud. The reliability of the product is in question, and the end customer is being ripped off whether he or she knows it or not. Counterfeiting is never necessary or right.

syedzunair
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Re: Anti-Counterfeit Measure: Get It in Writing
syedzunair   8/28/2012 5:19:36 AM
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SP:

Even if the cost dictates the terms in many decisions it does not mean the companies resort to using counterfeit parts in their manufacturing process. 

SP
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Anti-Counterfeit Measure: Get It in Writing
SP   8/28/2012 3:06:18 AM
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Agreed in small companies cost dictates many decisions. But I guess a good project management practice can show the advantage of many points cited in this article. I agree many times its difficult to convince senior management especially if they are non technical.

prabhakar_deosthali
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prabhakar_deosthali   8/28/2012 1:21:04 AM
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For the engineers working in small companies the job of balancing the right design with right sourcing is much tougher than those working in large organizations.

Whatever parts the designer will select the proprietor of the company will overrule in favor of cheaper parts to save cost.

Whatever part finally gets approved , the purchase guy will buy it from some obscure source because the credit terms are better .

Whatever order the obscure source gets from such small companies he will sell parts from some rejected or counterfeit lot because he knows that the company does not pay him on time.

With such a vicious circle , it is difficult for the small companies to get out of the counterfeit rut so easily

  This is from my own experince in working at a small company a few years back.

elctrnx_lyf
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Design engineering vs counterfeiting
elctrnx_lyf   8/28/2012 12:09:12 AM
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Many times the counterfieting was the issue of production in the past but this will not be the case in the future. The design engineers along with component and sourcing team should make sure the counterfeiting parts will not be an issue by making sure of alternate parts availability and also the correct terms with component suppliers in case any counterfeit components enter into the production.





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